Cheapness and Lies
 

My Toronto-Houston flight was delayed last night so I missed my connection to Buenos Aires (both flights on Continental). Three problems:
1. With a hotel room already paid for in BA and business meetings missed today, I'm seriously put out. And I need a good night's sleep tonight on the BA flight but they will not upgrade me.
2. I have been consistently lied to by the Continental people I have spoken with:
- "We (meaning Continental) cannot upgrade you." Continental, of course, can upgrade me. It chooses not to.
- "You have been compensated." A basic motel room and a $12 voucher for 24 hours between flights does not compensate for what I have lost in BA.
3. They have accused their pilot of lying. The pilot several times said we were delayed because of computer problems. Everyone I talk with says, no, the delays were due to weather.

I will do what I can to avoid Continental in the future.

You paid for an economy class ticket. They are under no obligation to upgrade you. If they upgraded every delayed passenger they would need a fleet of aircraft outfitted with nothing but first class seats.

Cheapness and Lies
 

yes, they are under no legal obligation to upgrade me. They are under some ethical obligation to do more than put me up in a motel with a $12 voucher. They profit from a business world that now depends on our ability to get quickly and reliably from A to B. And things do happen beyond their control.

Their cheapness doesn't bother me as much as their lies do. It is lying to say, "We (the airline) cannot upgrade you." I would rather have heard, "We have learned we don't lose sufficient business in these situtations for it to make sense to treat our customers well."

It's a lie to say, "We have compensated you" when they gave me $42 worth of service against my costs of hundreds of dollars.

Lies are routine in the airline business...

I think it is unlikely to be a weather related delay, because it would be unusual for the airline to pay for a motel room and give you a meal voucher. This suggests the delay was within their control and given the additional evidence of the pilot's announcement, I think this complaint has legs. I suggest you pursue this with a letter to Continental and demand compensation. (The idea that a cheap motel and $12 is compensation is laughable.. that is simply mitigation). The upgrade would be a courtesy to someone in your circumstances, but you are finding out what happens when airlines are protected from normal market rules. The consumer loses.

It's actually not unusual. I'm a platinum and usually if I misconnect with continental (or United), one is offered as a courtesy (I usually pass for the reasons listed by the OP: you get a cheap motel and 12 dollar voucher), or it could be it was a slow night and they had the rooms to give? It's been documented on many travel tip websites that if you kindly ask, sometimes an airline will give you a hotel. So to say it is unusual, well I don't think it is. Also I would never suggest anyone "demand" compensation", but why not simply ask for additional compensation? A simple letter with all the pertinent information i.e. flight numbers, routes, etc, might get you more rather than to be ignored. I mean what did they do other than give someone a room, a meal voucher, and a rebooking? Yea tha's the worst customer service I've ever seen, giving this guy a hotel room, what were they THINKING? *said with so much sarcasm*

I would say this to the OP: The room was free, and it would appear it was given as a courtesy, just because Continental is a Major Airline, doesn't automatically mean you will get the Ritz Carlton, because if they give it to you they have to give it to everyone and where is the business logic in that? Also if you read on this board as well as the other airlines of passengers who've misconnected, they usually don't get a room and end up sleeping in the airport. As far as the upgrade, going by continental's rule 240 they usually upgrade to first if those are the only seats available. Then again International is usually business first and my understanding they don't use those seats for any form of compensation. (I tried, no dice). Now if you feel you deserve more, write that letter to their customer service department, but at best i think you will get only travel vouchers. Good luck.

Bob,
Put down the cocktail and consider the evidence...

The airline only has to provide accommodation and a food voucher if the delay was within their control. If weather was the reason, then why did they provide this? Let's say it was a courtesy... would they also give a food voucher? I don't think so. But there was one other detail you seem to have missed... THE PILOT TOLD THE PASSENGERS THE REASON FOR THE DELAY!! Ooops.. too many cocktails there Bob..perhaps you missed it!

Now, when the delay is within the control of the airline (and lets face it, this was a very significant delay) compensation is due. To describe some cheap motel as compensation is ridiculous. The hotel was provided because Continental had failed to deliver the service the OP had paid for. The only reason he needed a hotel was because Continental didn't take him to his destination. That is NOT compensation.

As this is the site for analogies (most of which are not analogous) let me offer one up.

You go to the barber. He is giving you a short, back and sides. He cuts off the top of your ear. You go to the emergency room and have it stitched back on. The barber pays for the ER bills. That was NOT compensation.. that was simply paying the costs associated with the barbers negligence. The compensation comes in when you claim pain, suffering and the agony of losing your handsome looks Bob... think how big that claim will be.

OP goes to Continental. He pays his money and in return Continental offer to take him from Toronto to BA. Instead, Continental dumps him Houston... I think we can all agree that Houston is a far cry from Buenos Aires. Paying for a flea pit in Houston was a conseqeunce of their failure to deliver the service contracted.... and now he wants compensating.

Seems fair enough to me... I am sure after another whisky Bob...you will see sense and agree with me.

First they didn't dump him in houston, he had to go there and connect. He says so in his complaint.


(heh who's drunk off a cocktail now...... well it's still me, but that's beside the point). And since the OP missed his connection (not dumped), they placed him in a motel (or hotel we don't really know for sure other than the OP's statement), gave him a dinner voucher, and rebooked him the next day.

So again, what did they do that was so wrong, jim? His only major issue is that he didn't get a first class upgrade. That's it. Did they get him to Buenos Aires? Yes. Not at the time he would have liked, i would agree with that, but they did get him there. Was it a mechanical delay? We honestly don't know, because he didn't post any flight details, which the MODS even suggest they post to help their complaint. So we don't have the full story.

Oh and that analogy is beyong bad, probably one of your worst yet. And really I think the analogies need to stop because they can be interpreted in different ways. However because you called me handsome i'll let it slide (hey i'm old and grey, i'll take the compliments when I can get them), and just go back to my cocktail. It is the weekend, plus its frosty outside so I think a nice glass of Port will do nicely.

I don't understand all these playing with words that Silent Bob comes up with. Th OP was effectively "dumped" there having left him there when he was supposed to just make a connection. And Mr Bob, like his nutty friends (alter egos) Mars and Mickey, once again side with the airline.

This person is entitled to much more than just a hotel and meal voucher. He lost a day at Buenos Aires and lost sleep as a result of the delay. He is entitled to recover for that and if the airline was smart, although they did not have to upgrade him, it is an easy way of compensating him if there was room in first class.

They prefer not to compensate and have their drunken stooges come in here (I wonder if they get paid for doing this) to defend them.

And then you come to THIS post, and start the same thing? Are you serious?

Just to update those who have been posting in reply to my issue. Continental had told me Thursday night that they would upgrade some premier member from economy to 1st class and give me the now-vacant economy seat on the Friday flight. I got to the Houston airport around 5:00 PM yesterday for my 9:00 re-booked Continental flight to Buenos Aires and was told that the flight actually was over-booked and if they couldn't get someone to take a later flight, I'd be delayed yet another day. So I had them re-route me through Mexico City via AeroMexico. So I got to BA and then just had to find where Continental put my luggage.

He deserves compensation, but be careful how you ask for it. A lot of people's way of asking for compensation, is to demand it, while acting rude. This gets you nowhere. Take it from a current airline employee; if you are polite, you will more than likely be taken care of. If you call ****** off, cursing, and rude, you'll get nothing, but a documented reservation of your behavior, which will follow you, and be seen by all agents, for the remainder of your trip.

If the delay was weather related, a hotel would not have been given. Yes, sometimes an Elite member will be offered a hotel, as a courtesy, when weather delays occur, but rarely is it offered to an economy class customer. It was likely a maintenance issue (computers in the cockpit I assume from the pilots remarks). Agents usually do not offer compensation for maintenance delays, unless asked for. All you need to do is call 1-800-WECARE-2, with your PNR confirmation code, explain to them what happened, and likely they will send you a voucher.

well first of all, people should never expect to be upgraded, its a "privoledge" not a right. and the airline will always upgrade premier flyers over regular "joes" (BA actually does a good job upgrading people-even though it can be a little frustrating for the people who purchased business class tickets-as if a group of people are upgraded than the noise level for the first hour or two is pretty loud with oh my god this is sooo cool i have been upgraded, this is how the other side lives, what does this do.....however to me it doesnt matter let them have their fun and relax on a flight)

Well what does the OP want? a red carpet? the airlines were reasonable and did what they should have done (a room and a vouchar) and if this was weather related than you were lucky they gave you that and it would kinda explain the thursday night flight being overbooked since other people would have been delayed and rebooked also.....i dont see the wrong in what they did, a hastle and inconvienient yes, but their fault and problem i wouldnt say as much, they provided you with shelter and a vouchar (maybe it wasn't up to your standards) but they did the right thing, as they wont put people up in Hiltons as it is very expensive and not cost worthy

sinbad he wasn't bumped, the flight was delayed so the connection was missed, aka no plane there to be bumped off of, they rebooked the OP on the next available flight (originally it seems as standby) now he is booked on another flight (friday not sure if it woulda been confirmed or standby-but the OP changed his plans to fly with another airline) again your taking things out of context, but the important thing is even though the OP was late and was an inconvieniance they are safe and their standards maybe high but the airline provided the way it should have

Mars..
The pilot told him it was a mechanical delay.. and he was put up in a hotel and given a food voucher. The evidence points to a mechanical delay, rather than a weather delay. Why persist with the "lucky" comment, designed to provoke. There is sod all lucky about being left in Houston, missing important meetings and arriving at least 24 hours later than planned.

Who said he thought an upgrade was a right? Can you point out anywhere in the OP's post which says this? You can't because he didn't say it. What the OP said was that this delay was causing him significant inconvenience. He suggested a remedy to the airline. The remedy suggested actually doesn't cost the airline that much... an upgrade if a vacancy in the higher class of cabin was available. The airline declined to meet this request. The OP complains not that the airline didn't meet his request.. but that they claimed that somehow it was outside their powers to do so, which is patently nonsense.

Finally Mars... is there any way in which you could tell us what company you work for, so I can avoid it? You seem to have a lax attitude towards meeting a customers basic needs. In this case the OP paid Continental to take him from Toronto to Buenos Aires, with one stop. The airline delivered him considerably more than 24 hours late, via Houston and Mexico City and lost his luggage to boot. This is what you describe as the "airline provided the way it should have". As your standards to meeting customer needs are so low, it might be a service to us all if you disclosed who you work for. They clearly have very little regard for their customers if they employ people with attitudes like yours.

jimworks how would you suggest the airline do in that situation?
they gave him sheltor and a vouchar for food, plain and simple, there really isnt anything else anyone could do, they wont put him on a on a private jet and they wont fly him in a unused plane. so they provided what was requiered out of them, so what else can be expected?


[quote=Herb Koplowitz;12498 So I got to BA and then just had to find where Continental put my luggage.[/quote]

and where did his luggage go? from what i can see he said he just had to go over to the Continental buggage claim to pick it up, not lost


and he was saying that continental lied to him and wouldnt upgrade him, making me believe that he was expecting an upgrade out of this.......and the privoledge not a right thing was in general not just about this situation

do i say he deserves some kind of compensation, yes....but an upgrade probably not as things like that happen quite often

guess what, in this case it wouldnt matter if it was mechanical or weather related, he had a hotel/motel room and food vouchar so what difference would it make? since if it was weather related he would have got jack.

well i gotta go to the gate and catch my flight

just thinking......since he changed the contract (going with a different airline) i wonder if the OP got their bag back, or if continental said you didnt fly with us we are not bringing your bag (security reasons or whatnot)

Mars, he didn't travel a different airline, he still flew with Continental. He flew to Buenos Aires (BA).

ah true point, rebooked through continental with aeromexico

Well, wadyaknow, Dumb and Dumber having a conversation. I thought you had your conversations off the site with a 3-way hookup with your half-witted lawyer friend from Disney when you plan how to stall claims.

Mars, I have looked at your posts including this one and I wonder if you're dumb or just playing dumb. The OP never said he was entitled to an upgrade as of right. And no, ninny, he never suggested he wanted a red carpet.

How can you not see the wrong the airline did. Are you that daft that you think a room and meal is adequate compensation in this case?

The pilot said it was a computer problem. The pilot would have no reason to lie. But the airline would. The pilot did not have time to plan any lie. He spoke spontaneously. Words spoken spontaneously are more likely to be the truth. The airline facing a claim has the motivation and the time to plan to lie. They know full well that they did something wrong and only a bird-brain won't see that they did something wrong, and so they decided to say "weather".

The OP obviously came in here to get suggestions as to what to do. He did not come in here to hear the three stooges (and I'm waiting to see what Mr Mickey will say when he comes into this thread) trying to defend the airline.

Hasnt it dawned on you yet what has happened here? He was on a business trip and lost time getting into Buenos Aires (and by the way Mr Big Traveller rushing to your gate, by BA he meant Buenos Aires, not British Airways), missing business meetings in the process, losing sleep at the start of his trip.

And you see a room and meal as adequate compensation. Are you come kind of lunatic? Don't you have a sense of right and wrong?

The OP is entitled to compensation big time. He is quite wrong to think it is merely an "ethical obligation" on the part of the airline to give him more than the room and meal voucher. Article 19 of the Warsaw Convention (the Montreal Convention was not signed or ratified by Argentina) provides him with the legal right to be fully compensated for damages for delay.

The airline is strictly liable with no escape. They should be on their knees to him.

What he should claim now is for the airline to provide him with a return trip to Buenos Aires. They are liable for at least that having made him lose part of his trip. He could now make that claim when he returns to Toronto.

I said earlier if they were smart, they would have given him that vacant seat in first class and settled his claim. Maybe they had crackpots like you working for them.

And then because he went on Aeromexico you have the nerve to say he changed the contract. Are you nuts?

You may tell your Drunken Master that this post is for the benefit of the OP, and not for him but if he comes in to reply to this post he had better talk sense and be as polite as possible, because I have some choice words waiting for him.

All this rubbish about "You lose" "You fail" only makes him look like an imbecile. What is he a referee or an examiner?

And tell him to sober up before he comes to reply to me

hasn't it occurred to you that.......yet again.....your taking things out of context?

from my observations it felt to me that he was expecting alot more than what he got, that the hotel wasnt up to where he would normally stay at, but an airline will provide a motel/hotel room that makes economical sence

he seemed to me that he was asking too much for a common occurance, delays happen.....he didnt say red carpet i did because it felt like he wanted more than he deserved

so please go back and interpret what is said and read the whole thing and dont take things out of context, it will be helpful as i dont want to keep correcting your mistakes in contextual "mishaps"

Hmmmmm.... so not only do you reply out of context once AGAIN (dude you really suck at this), but you also throw insults and then asks others to come to this post "politely" (You super suck at this). Sorry dude you FAIL once more and have pretty much lost any or all cred on this board. At least in my eyes and I'm pretty sure others will follow.

But keeping with respect to the post, Sin, no airline will give anyone anything BIG TIME unless they have a rightful claim to it. Mechanical, weather, ATC, these are things not even within the airlines control, nor are these big time scenarios where they will give you the house simply because because "stuff happens". Anyone with any common sense would know that. (then again its you, so heh). No one argued that the OP wasn't inconvenienced, and getting a hotel and meals is the usual compensensation when misconnecting due to mechanical. Now we really DON'T KNOW if it was mechanical or not, just because the OP said "oh the pilot said this" doesn't hold up because noone else is here to back up that claim.

The only issue the OP has is that he was not given a first class upgrade, which HE ALSO STATED it was given to an elite. Would it have been nice to have given him the upgrade? Maybe. Did they? No. Did they have to? Not really. He didn't buy a first class ticket, why should they upgrade just because he feels he "needs the rest"? The only other compensation the OP would be entitled to is maybe flight vouchers. If he's a frequent flyer, then they toss him some miles.

You FAIL yet again, as you have done in other post, as you will do with future posts. I'm just gonna start calling you SinFAIL, it just makes more sense.

Silent Bob,

YOU FAIL YOU FAIL

Who accredited you as an examiner? The New York Institute of Drunks?

Is it now safe to say that you and Madman Marz are alter egos of each other? And where is the third member of this Tiresome Trio of Thickos? Is he taking a refersher course at the Mickey Mouse School of Law? Tell him to check Article 19 of the Warsaw Convention and to see if it does not make the airline liable for damages for delay. Have you ever bothered to read how this has been interepreted and if damages mean room and a meal?

You and Madman Marz both regurgitate the same story about taking things out of context. For crying out loud, what was taken out of context? I understood you fully. Like ignoramuses you both think that the airline compensated the OP fully with a hotel and a meal.

And you both like nincompoops are harping on the fact that his case is the upgrade he wanted. He made it clear that he knew that he was not entitled as of right to an upgrade.

Once again you think trickery will work by saying that no one is there to back up his claim as to what the pilot announced. This is where tricksters like you get caught. All announcements from the cockpit are recorded. and if this Op went to any court and Continental tried to deny it they will be asked to produce the recording. But like an imbecile you cannot understand. Even the airline did not deny it. The OP said they are saying the pilot lied. Didn't that message get through your thick skull or did the alcohol get in the way?

Even the airline must admit that the pilot said it, but like the slimeball you are, it will occur to you to lie and say the OP has no one to back up his claim of what the pilot said. Just as you thoought in another thread that you can get your mob to lie.

You are not just a stupid drunk. You are not driven by a sense of fairplay, but like a beady-eyed rodent you think of tricks and lies.

Are you so dense to think that a pilot will lie to say that there is a computer problem it if was that it was the weather. Are you so goofy that you can't figure out that mechanical problems are within the airlines' control?

This op didnt seem to know what he should now ask for, and here I sought to guide him.

He is entitled as of right to compensation for the loss of his trip and either to monetary damages or to another return trip.

You are a drunken trickster, but take it from me, you don't have the brain to back up your trickery. Fortunately for those who deal with you, you have the brain of a mentally deficient maggot

Sinbad(badsin) call me and others what you want, everything you say has absolutely no meaning or merrit, you clearly have difficulty comprehending anything that is said, and you mistake and missuse everything, making misconceptions and compeletely taking things out of context and attempt to change what was said

but i guess that when you realize that your wrong and have no correct way of stating anything you turn to insults so that you feel a little better about yourself......this again isn't working, it doesnt change anything other than you sinking lower, i can tell that you have difficulty understanding since everything people say you twist

for example in this post, you saiid that the op never said he was entitled to an upgrade........ guess what he kinda did by bringing it up (needed sleep but they wont upgrade me) aka he believes he should be upgraded and than he says something about a basic hotel room, and i said that your not gonna be put up in a hilton or expensive hotel because thats just too expensive

and just to let you know, when your in a rush to get from the lounge to the gate and you see BA you may mistake that as the airline and BA does travel to Buenos Aires (which by the way i corrected after it was pointed out, so anything you said was just pointless on that part since i realized my error and saw he went on aeromexico) I forgot to say that since he rebooked with continental to go on Aeromexico that he didn't change the contract...happy now?

and he was compensated for.....he was given a vouchar for food and a hotel room, what else can be offered? even the warsaw convention states that he was compensated fairly due to the circumstances, he didnt loose his trip, he got there, delayed but he got there

how is a mechanical problem within an airlines control? they happen all the time and they are unexpected, planes today or more reliable and maintained, but faults happen as things are not perfect, and when things go bad they have to be fixed, its not the airlines fault that there is a mechanical delay......if it has to do with a delay it would be a boeing, airbus...etc problem as it is them who built the plane, the planes are maintained for safety and to make sure everything is working properly, but things happen and they are not the airlines fault, just like when your car battery dies it isnt the batteries fault or the cars fault, it just happens because thats what happens with machinary

so keep calling us maggots and whatnot, (you will prob misinturpret it and use it against me) and keep saying things that make no point and have nothing to back it up with, so you can go back with the insults if it makes you feel better, but it makes no difference to me, have a nice day and please understand what people are saying, you say you do but obviously you have no idea

p.s. the three whatever you called it (three musketeers for your info is a pretty good candy bar so i ll take that as a compement-yeah i know there is also a trio of musketeers but im not gonna go into a history lesson since it will be misused by you)
how about sinbad, airlinesmustpay and idk

Madman Marz

I am now satisfied that you are the High Priest of Stupidity. That was the most idiotic post I have ever seen on any site anywhere. Let me take what you say bit by bit

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I said three stooges. Do you like being called a stooge. It doesn't mean musketeer. Check wikipedia:

"A stooge is generally defined as a person under the control of another. Being called a stooge is not a form of praise. Stooge can also be used to mean idiot"

You still like the term three stooges? Three idiots under the control of the airlines. Blindly defending airlines like three idiots. I'm absolutely pleased that you take it as a compliment. I don't know why you link me with airlines must pay and idk. I don't see any of them posting on this thread.

But you and your Drunken Master are taking turns to put forward rubbish to defend the airline. When he has to stagger out to vomit he tags you and you come in. Then when you leave, he totters back in just having taken another shot of liquor to repeat the nonsense.

as you can see i dont pay much attention to what you say by this point, since its not worth the time n you keep making mistakes all the time

for your info, wikipedia, is not a good source, you can find many mistakes on there

go ahead call me a stooge all you want, you are oblivious about yourself and i dont even know why i am sinking down to your level and even replying about this

all i know is there is a very good chance that i have a higher education than you and that the person who (sinbad) who just starts namecalling and not acting like an adult is either upset that your not getting your "needed" attention or you cannot aprehend what people are talking about

and i suggest that when you involve me in posts that its is for a valuable reason and that you would be mature and stop name calling, because that just shows that your low and you don't gain anything by doing so, in fact you loose "respect" if you have any

Mars, all you need to see is this one line from the failure that is sinFail:

And to which we get from him:

It's like he's friggin five!!! Lose respect? The guy has lost ALL respect. I would also think that the other airline haters would also seperate themselves from him, I know if I were on that side of the fence I wouldn't want such a plague near me nor would I associate myself to him. The guy has no respect for the board, cannot follow a conversation, and when he's called out on it he reduces himself to the lowest of low and throws out insults. Smells like a failure to me.

I like a good tangle now and then but what happened to our esteemed moderator?? I thought this type of stuff wasn't tolerated.

I think they only step in when the "sympathizers" or airline employees gets out of line. As you can see Puffer Butch pretty much goes unchecked, and this new ******... Needless to say if they don't step in, things are gonna get ugly.

Gonna get???? I went back through the thread and these were some of the things I found.

Someone being called a drunken stooge.
2 people being referred to as dumb and dumber
Mars6423 being asked if he's a lunatic
Someone being referred to as Drunken Master numerous times
Post number 22 in this thread just has too many to list, read for yourselves
Someone being called the High Priest of Stupidity
Someone being called a disgusting gob of dog vomit
Someone being told they are a dysfunctional dolt with a donkey's brain
Too many other name-callings to mention including Silent Bob being singled out by being called a maggot

I fully expect the offending party to verbally attack me, just a guy who pointed out what was said. Hopefully the admin here can straighten out this situation.

Judge, why would I verbally attack you? You have not said anything that is a lie, unlike my nauseating friends Madman Marz and his Drunken Master. I am not sure what has offended you. I have not used any obscenities or vulgarities. True enough I may have made them feel like dirt, but they have deserved it. Madman Marz said that the Warsaw Convention states that the OP was fairly compensated. I asked him what article of the Warsaw convention was saying that and he could not answer. I conclude this is a deliberate lie intended to mislead the Op. The Warsaw Convention says no such thing. The Warsaw Convention is a short document of a few pages written in simple language that even a Dope like him should understand.

OPs come on this site for advice and ideas on how to proceed. Since you have come in to defend them or at least to comment on how I have answered them, what excuse do you offer for this deliberate lie by Madman Marz. I said, "If you can tell a LIE like that on this site, obviously designed to mislead, you are nothing but a disgusting gob of dog vomit"

When the Op sees someone saying that the Warsaw Convention says he has been fully compensated, he may give up on his claim, not realising that the poster is lying. What the Administrators of this site shoudl be concerned about is not who is insulting who, but that the OPs who complain get advice that is not comprised of lies.

What if I call them those names? What do you think of a wacko who would say that if is car battery goes dead on him it is not his fault. Maybe his mommy bought him the car and maintains it. But no responsble car owner would say that. As an airline employee have you ever heard the airline say that delays were due to the fault of Boeing and Airbus. With no evidence that the mechanical delay was due to a design fault, wouldn't you agree with me that only a numbskull would make such a statement? Ok you are too polite to call him a numbskull, but do you disagree that those are very irresponsible statements to make. Who maintains aircrafts?

It is one thing to support airlines, but airline sympathisers need to be truthful and avoid talking absolute garbage like mechanical delays are Boeing's fault.

Apart from Marz's lie about the Warsaw Convention, Bob the Drunk, also called Drunken Master (the guy admits he is a drunk, so what's your problem?) sought to say that the OP has no evidence that the pilot said it was a computer problem.

The OP says that the airlines are calling their pilot a liar. What has escaped this drunk dumbell is that these things are recorded. In another thread he had to be told by another poster that gate announcements are recorded. Here I had to tell him that cockpit announcements are recorded. In fact everything that is said in the cockpit is heard by the control tower. Is it also your position that lies need to be told on behalf of the airline in defending the claim?

Do you see now that the persons the moderators need to censure are these two lying lunatics? This is a site to give assistance to people with complaints against airlines, and while posters like me are trying to assist the OP, you get these sleazy scatterbrained slimeballs coming in here to try to stall the OP's claim with lies.

And instead of telling them about their lies, you are seeking to comment on my language.

By the way Madman Marz doesn't mind being called a stooge. He said as much and he thinks it is something good. When i told him the Wikipedia definition, his reaction was Wikipedia has mistakes. So if Mr Madman Marz likes the names, what is your problem.

What you should do is tell your loco friends to "shape up or ship out". I know if I had any lying tricksters on any of my golden voyages, I would surely have made them walk the plank into the Arabian Sea.

sinbad i dont know if i should ignore your complete lack of understanding or if we need to get you some help

where did you ask me what article?

and where haven't you used obscenities? you make me laugh (even in here you use derogatory aka terms that bring people down; such as dope, dog vommit, all unneccesary remarks that just show your true self, someone who cant be mature enough to understand and comprehend.

Your the one who is lying here sinbad, and we are (at least i am) not trying to mislead anyone

i dont care what you call me because what you say has no meaning to it, you have no bearing on me and your comments are just worthless calling people names it only shows your character that is flawed

if your gonna quote something from a source, at least use one that is factual, and is true, wikipedia is a horrible source, and anyone knows that it is not an acceptable resource to use. You go to university and when you have a research paper, if you have wikipedia as a source you guarantee an F and the prof laughing in your face, well at least at respectable colleges/universities

Judge, you see what I mean. This dingbat now asks me where did I ask him what article. In post #25 I clearly asked him what article of the warsaw convention he was referring to. Now he doubts I asked him.

If he had the slightest shred of decency in his moronic mind, he would retract that statement he made that the Op was compensated according to the Warsaw Convention. But he will not. He was deliberately misleading the Op.

And I am repeating, these are the kinds of things the moderators should censure.

Now this mindless monkey does not know what is an obscenity. Haven't everyone looked at Judge Judy. She has no patience with liars and calls them morons, fools and stupid. Those and the kinds of words I use are not obscenities.

He is an idiot.

Sinbad,

I am afraid you are wrong about cockpit conversations. This is absolutely not true, and indeed most communications are recorded only in the last 30 minutes by the CVR.

It is time this was changed. The whole concept of a "black box" needs to be revisited following the AF crash in the South Atlantic. Flight data and conversations should be sent automatically digitally during the flight and recorded remotely, covering the entire flight. This would also enable proper investigation of incidents such as the recent NWA/Delta over-flight event. Privacy concerns can easily be addressed by making it available only to national investigating authorities such as the FAA, JAA or CAA following an incident.

Found this post by the admin from awhile back. Hope it still applies....

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...4&postcount=11

Here is a snip from another post...

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...07&postcount=2

Another.......

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...52&postcount=8

Found one more......

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...73&postcount=3

Guess what??.........

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...6&postcount=11

I have reported, in particular, post 22 in this thread. With what the admin has posted previously and the actions taken against other members, I hope it will be a level field for all of us.

Troy

sinbad, i just looked at post #25 and i do not see where you ask me about the warsaw convention all i see are you calling people 3 stooges and citing a source that is isn't legitamate

So now your saying you are unlike Judge Judy, which as nothing to do with anything. And calling someone a mindless monket or dog vomit, that's not obscene? Dude you fail at every turn and you persist with this nonsense. Why keep going you are only making it far worse. Really just end it, you really do suck at this.

Guys: it is just an internet forum and free speech: no one is going to die

Mars...

Did you read Post 25? You may not like what he said, but you can't deny he said it.. it is in black and white!


From post number 25:

I would be interested in you answering this element. Where exactly does the Warsaw Convention state that a hotel room and voucher is adequate compensation for a 24 hour delay.

Agreed but I'd like to see fair play.

What I said was:

"The Warsaw Convention does not state that he was compensated fairly. Quote the Article of the Convention that you are referring to. You can't can you? Nowhere does it say that compensation is limited to room and meals. Nothing suggests that he was fully compensated. You are telling an outrageous LIE to day that it does. If you can tell a LIE like that on this site, obviously designed to mislead, you are nothing but a disgusting gob of dog vomit"

Isn't it interesting that they were up in arms over the "dog vomit" comment, but no one saw that I asked him to quote the section of the Warsaw Convention he was referring to?

This Judge guy is extremely irresponsible to be condoning lies. I drew it to his attention that Madman Marz had told this lie and instead of taking a look at the Warsaw Convention which is easily available on the Internet and drawing the lie to Madman Marz' attention, he focuses instead on my language.

I wonder which would be worse to the Administrators of this site, to have lies unchecked and uncorrected that mislead the OPs or to have insulting language? Maybe none is good, but the integrity of this site is much more compromised by having posters who would lie to mislead the OPs. Otherwise, what is the purpose of this site? Is it to have a congenial get together, and it doesn't matter if misleading lies are told? Then maybe we should all join Bob the Drunk and get drunk together and let's all have a happy time defending the Airlines with lies.

I know what I would tell Judge if I was the Administrator and he came to me with that complaint. You airline sympathizers and employees need to get your act together. If you can't politely tell a fellow sympathizer that he should correct his untruths, don't complain if someone does is impolitely.

It's nice to be polite, but sometimes you have to be "rough on roughnecks"

I told Bob not to come in with nonsense and to be polite when he comes in to reply otherwise I had some choice words for him and he virtually challenged me to do it. So why is he complaining? Don't complain when you ask for it.