[AirlinesMustPay]

Take a look at this


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aO7zaDESNdcw

[Jetliner]

Soooo, let me see if I have this right. This guy who worked for a contractor who had Delta as a client was fired and is now making allegations that his company had obtained Hanni's personal emails?? Riiiiiight. Sounds more like sore former employee. He may have been emailing her, and that could be the reason for his termination, but I'd have to see proof for the rest of this.

On the other hand, it's kind of interesting that her email got hacked. So did the forum boards and it seems the Google group has been been shut down by Google for terms of use violations.

[justme]

I know everyone will label my reply as blindly defending Delta because I work for them, but just want to point out...

The person was not a direct Delta employee, he worked for, if I'm reading it correctly, Metron Aviation Inc. who was a Delta "contractor."

And for the record, I wasn't involved in anything to do with what happened in the article, so I cannot say who is right and who is wrong. That's up to a judge, not me.

[Gromit801]

Interesting. Kate Hanni and her forces have pretty much been stalled, and getting no PR. Now suddenly, her email and website are being messed with, and her operative at Metron got canned.

Now they're back in the news.

Interesting.

[jimworcs]

Yeah, it is all one big conspiracy... poor innocent Delta would never stoop to such levels..

Did you guys know that noone has ever stepped on the moon and 911 was an inside job...

[Jetliner]

JIm - just like butch you are not willing to consider both sides. Sure it's possible that Delta is guilty, but which is more likely - Delta hacks Kate's email or this guy who just got fired is making the story up to get even?

Keep in mind that there is no smoking gun, only this guy's claim. Also, you can't tell me that someone tinkered that much with and AOL account and they didn't notice.

And Kate isn't above twisting the details either. Go look at her website. It's to a much lesser degree, but she has a news item that an Air France plane sat on the tarmac for 6 hours and the FAA is denying it ever happened. She has the part about them denying it in all caps. But that's not exactly true. The FAA is simply stating that the status was unknown because the don't track international airlines the same as US carriers. Nowhere are they denying the plane sat.

[PHXFlyer]

Kate Hanni, for lack of a better term, is a nutcase. She would do anything and everything to promote her agenda. Sure she was subjected to a lengthy tarmac delay which was uncomfortable. I don't doubt that for a moment. She was generously compensated for that delay but chooses to promote her own agenda. She disregards all rational discussion of airline operations and how a strict 3 hour rule could potentially cause lengthier delays for passengers should every aircraft sitting for more than three hours be required to return to a gate. She also doesn't understand the logisitcs involved when there are weather/ATC delays in getting an open gate for those aircraft to return to. What Kate Hanni needs to do is spend an afternoon at one of the major airline's OPS centers on a bad weather day to experience first hand what factors come into play when flights are delayed, canceled and/or held on the tarmac awaiting the OK for takeoff. I'll bet if she spent even a single day observing what goes on behind the scenes (as I have had the opportunity to do on a couple of occasions) she would gain an appreciation that the airlines actually do have the best interest of the passengers and crews involved in these delays and do not just make arbitrary decisions without the knowledge that those decisions affect people and not only equipment and schedules.

[Jetliner]

Well, in all fairness I can't disagree with her wanting to do something, but unfortunately what she wants is not as simple as she thinks, by a long shot.

But you should see some of the crap that has been listed as a wish list for a passenger bill of rights. One item was to reimburse a passenger the fair market value for the contents of your bag if it doesn't arrive within 12 hours. Obviously she didn't think that one out as to what exactly that would mean. Also if we pay you for the contents of your bag, you don't get the bag back. It's the same as an insurance settlement. And if you think about it for a moment, there are plenty of smaller airports in the US where if your bag got left off of your origin flight, there may not be another flight for 3 or 4 hours, and now it has to make a connection. 12 hours isn't all that un-heard of.

What she doesn't understand as well is that if the plane does go back to the gate after 3 hours, the airline will simply cancel the flight. Now there is a real chance of people not being able to go and getting stuck in the airport overnight. And guess what? It's a weather cancelation. We don't owe you crap. Now in reality I'm not saying that would be the right thing to do, but folks, let's face reality. That is exactly what will happen.

[Gromit801]

HOSTAGE:

A hostage is a person or entity which is held by a captor. The original definition meant that this was handed over by one of two belligerent parties to the other or seized as security for the carrying out of an agreement, or as a preventive measure against certain acts of war. However, in modern days, it means someone who is seized by a criminal abductor in order to compel another party such as a relative, employer, law enforcement, or government to act, or refrain from acting, in a particular way, often under threat of serious physical harm to the hostage(s) after expiration of an ultimatum.

It doesn't apply to airlines, no matter how much the propaganda writers would like to make it so.

Oh gee, because I don't back up every single complaint on here, I'm now an "Airline Sympathizer." SWA should be laughing their heads off now.

[AirlineComplaints.org]

Originally Posted by Gromit801

Oh gee, because I don't back up every single complaint on here, I'm now an "Airline Sympathizer." SWA should be laughing their heads off now.

Correction: You were labeled an "Airline Sympathizer" because you believe 90% of passenger complaints are the passenger's fault, and your posts on here back that up.

[Gromit801]

To paraphrase Will Rogers, I only know what I see in the airports.

[AirlinesMustPay]

I'd say thats quite a lot to know just from looking on in the airports

[mars6423]

its not just the airport and airlines fault there jimworks

if there is high demand than and flights at a certain time of day than it will cause a problem, so the overcrowdedness comes from the passengers themselves too, not intentionally but due to the demand alot of flights go there, otherwise there wouldnt be enough seats for people to sit and then everyone would be angry at the airlines for not having the seats, and if the schedules were more spread out than people would complain about that

so the airlines can get bigger planes but that isnt economical