[Butch Cassidy Slept Here]

Inasmuch as I've noted web postings by Phx which strongly suggested he is, or was, a flight attendant it will be interesting to see whether those last three rules can be adhered to when he responds to a post critical of a flight attendant. The postings I reference here have been dismissed, by the airline people on here, as things I fabricated. No matter how you slice it, the tone of this board is in for a change. Again, whether that's for the better, or the worse, remains to be seen.

[jimworcs]

I think the tag 'airline sympathiser' suggests that the board are accepting he is not an employee. But, overall I think boards such as this benefit from a full and frank exchange of views.. and we will certainly be getting that from you and PHX!!

[PHXFlyer]

Hello fellow contributors to AirlineComplaints.org. As the moderator has indicated my account has been restored and I am again able to contribute to the dialogue of this forum. My reinstatement did, however, come with certain "terms and conditions" which I am now addressing in this thread. (Seems appropriate since I started it.)

Let me get one thing out of the way first. I sincerely apologize for crossing the line of what would generally be accepted as good taste when I originally posted to this thread. I was trying to make a point and in my effort went too far. Had the post been allowed to merely stand on it's own or be edited, removed, or otherwise dealt with by the moderator of this forum the unfortunate misunderstandings which followed might very well have been averted. However the responses (okay - just one response comes to mind) to that post started a cascade of events which ultimately resulted in my temporary suspension from posting to this forum. I understand that the moderator acted as he did given the information, or rather mis-information, provided to him by a certain member. I can understand that if presented with the same unsubstantiated and circumstantial evidence that I may have taken the same action.

Now to address the other "bullet points" of this "probationary reinstatement":

"We label him "Airline Sympathizer" (instead of "Airline Employee") so that new users know where he is coming from."

I think this stems from the notion that I am an airline employee. Short of turning in copies of my income tax returns I can see no way of either denying or confirming this. This whole thing started when my MSN e-mail address was inadvertently revealed due to the actions of a certain member of this community. I guess he Googled my MSN userid (fair enough since I Googled his Yahoo ID - however I must make the distinction that he publicly posted his Yahoo ID in his profile while my MSN e-mail address was supposed to be private until he posted it in this thread) and found a similar Yahoo ID. The rest, as they say, is history.

"He publicly apologizes to the AirlineComplaints.org staff for his legal threat."

My "legal threat" was related to the above mentioned post. I reported that personal information, namely my e-mail address, had been posted by another member of this forum. When my requests had been ignored I finally decided to contact my attorney. I did this only because several attempts to advise the moderators of this board were ignored. I knew my inquiries were being ignored because I saw the userid "airlinecomplaints.org" was logged into the board after each request was made yet no action was taken. As a webmaster, the owners of AirlineComplaints.org are obliged by law to protect the personal information of those who register. When I merely reminded the moderator of this fact and that I had been in contact with my attorney over the unedited post I was banned for making a "threat." It seems to me that at least in the USA I have a right to seek legal advice when I feel my rights have been violated and to advise those who have done so that I am seeking such advice.

"He refrains from using sarcasm, personal attacks, and foul language in his posts."

I can completely agree to personal attacks and foul language. Sarcasm is completely subjective.

"He sticks to facts and writes constructive and helpful posts (he can still obviously disagree with other users, but his posts have to be constructive, not destructive)."

I have always "stuck to the facts" with the exception of when I was rebuffing a personal attack. But enough said. I can live with this. Just expect my posts to be boring and without humor!

"He does not get into pointless arguments with other users."

I have to laugh at this one. Here's what was in the e-mail sent to me:

"* You do not get into pointless arguments with Butch (we will be keeping an eye on him as well) or any other member."

Anyway - it's good to be back folks! Advocate free speech! Don't acept "labels."

[AirlineComplaints.org]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer

"We label him "Airline Sympathizer" (instead of "Airline Employee") so that new users know where he is coming from."

I think this stems from the notion that I am an airline employee. Short of turning in copies of my income tax returns I can see no way of either denying or confirming this. This whole thing started when my MSN e-mail address was inadvertently revealed due to the actions of a certain member of this community. I guess he Googled my MSN userid (fair enough since I Googled his Yahoo ID - however I must make the distinction that he publicly posted his Yahoo ID in his profile while my MSN e-mail address was supposed to be private until he posted it in this thread) and found a similar Yahoo ID. The rest, as they say, is history.

We have already given you the benefit of the doubt that you are not an Airline Employee. However, as anyone reading through your post history will know, your posts at AirlineComplaints.org are by and large in defense of the airlines, which is why we have labeled you an Airline Sympathizer so that new members know where you are coming from.

"He publicly apologizes to the AirlineComplaints.org staff for his legal threat."

My "legal threat" was related to the above mentioned post. I reported that personal information, namely my e-mail address, had been posted by another member of this forum. When my requests had been ignored I finally decided to contact my attorney. I did this only because several attempts to advise the moderators of this board were ignored. I knew my inquiries were being ignored because I saw the userid "airlinecomplaints.org" was logged into the board after each request was made yet no action was taken. As a webmaster, the owners of AirlineComplaints.org are obliged by law to protect the personal information of those who register. When I merely reminded the moderator of this fact and that I had been in contact with my attorney over the unedited post I was banned for making a "threat." It seems to me that at least in the USA I have a right to seek legal advice when I feel my rights have been violated and to advise those who have done so that I am seeking such advice.

Don't undermine what occurred. Your request was not complied with immediately because we do not make rash decisions when editing members' posts (and thereby affecting their Freedom of Speech), and this was no exception. Your personal information was promptly removed a couple of days after your request after we had a chance to assess the situation. Let us not forget that you threatened another member directly via e-mail and that that is why that member posted your personal information in the first place.

As for your threat to the AirlineComplaints.org staff, it was

"Please correct this infraction against my privacy immediately or I will be contacting my attorney today @3PM MST to see what can be done further if you do not comply"

So there is no need to sugar coat it for our other members. That is a legal threat and not even a subtle one at that.

Also, you have not yet apologized to the staff for this legal threat, so this term has not yet been fulfilled.

"He refrains from using sarcasm, personal attacks, and foul language in his posts."

I can completely agree to personal attacks and foul language. Sarcasm is completely subjective.

Sarcasm does not help our new members who do not know you and is off-putting and never helpful.

"He sticks to facts and writes constructive and helpful posts (he can still obviously disagree with other users, but his posts have to be constructive, not destructive)."

I have always "stuck to the facts" with the exception of when I was rebuffing a personal attack. But enough said. I can live with this. Just expect my posts to be boring and without humor!

This is a serious website with a serious purpose, not an outlet for personal quarrels or comedy. Real people come on here to report real complaints. Let us not forget that.

"He does not get into pointless arguments with other users."

I have to laugh at this one. Here's what was in the e-mail sent to me:

"* You do not get into pointless arguments with Butch (we will be keeping an eye on him as well) or any other member."

What is humorous about that? Your pointless arguments with other members do not help out the member base nor contribute any productive information. It is no laughing matter and this shows that you do not take this site - or its members - very seriously.

Anyway - it's good to be back folks! Advocate free speech! Don't acept "labels."

How does your label impede your Freedom of Speech? It doesn't, it simply helps new members understand why you go on an automatic defense of the airlines so they can put your posts into context.


PHXFlyer, your walking on thin ice here. Your new introductory post above was defiant and not in the same spirit as your reinstatement. We will be keeping an eye on you for the sake of this community and based on your post above, we would not be surprised if you get banned again.

[PHXFlyer]

Originally Posted by AirlineComplaints.org

As for your threat to the AirlineComplaints.org staff, it was So there is no need to sugar coat it for our other members. That is a legal threat and not even a subtle one at that.

Also, you have not yet apologized to the staff for this legal threat, so this term has not yet been fulfilled.

I apologize for what you perceived as a threat.

"...I will be contacting my attorney today @3PM MST to see what can be done further..."

I never knew that seeking the advice of an attorney was tantamount to a "threat." I never said I was going to take legal action, merely get advice on what I should do to correct the violation of my privacy if the information was not edited or removed. I honestly think you really blew my statement out of proportion.

PHXFlyer, your walking on thin ice here. Your new introductory post above was defiant and not in the same spirit as your reinstatement. We will be keeping an eye on you for the sake of this community and based on your post above, we would not be surprised if you get banned again.

This would have been more appropriate in a private message.

[AirlineComplaints.org]

Originally Posted by PHXFlyer

I apologize for what you perceived as a threat.

"...I will be contacting my attorney today @3PM MST to see what can be done further..."

I never knew that seeking the advice of an attorney was tantamount to a "threat." I never said I was going to take legal action, merely get advice on what I should do to correct the violation of my privacy if the information was not edited or removed. I honestly think you really blew my statement out of proportion.

Again, do not attempt to sugarcoat it. In the context and tone it was said, it was tantamount to "If you do not remove it, I will sue you." The next time you mention an attorney or send personal threats to members of this forum will be the last time you set foot on this forum.

This would have been more appropriate in a private message.

We will determine what is appropriate in our forum, not you. We want members to witness your belligerence and continued defiance so that the next time you are banned, they will better understand why. And yes, we are quite certain there will be a next time if you continue like this.

[Suga00]

Just asking, is it ok for posters to post an offensive post comparing airline lies to a gang rape? I get certian members have offended people and you think they should be watched like a hawk but this person repeatedly posted on the delta board about being "gang raped" by the airline because he/she was lied to.
As I said on that post, it offends everyone, the airline passengers, airline employees, airline sympathizers and airline haters, oh and former employees too. How long and how many flags would it take to get this post down or censored?

[countrynewsman]

Originally Posted by Suga00

Just asking, is it ok for posters to post an offensive post comparing airline lies to a gang rape? I get certian members have offended people and you think they should be watched like a hawk but this person repeatedly posted on the delta board about being "gang raped" by the airline because he/she was lied to.
As I said on that post, it offends everyone, the airline passengers, airline employees, airline sympathizers and airline haters, oh and former employees too. How long and how many flags would it take to get this post down or censored?

Agreed. This character is about as offensive as they come. I wonder why it takes so long to get this idiot off.

[AirlineComplaints.org]

Originally Posted by Suga00

Just asking, is it ok for posters to post an offensive post comparing airline lies to a gang rape? I get certian members have offended people and you think they should be watched like a hawk but this person repeatedly posted on the delta board about being "gang raped" by the airline because he/she was lied to.
As I said on that post, it offends everyone, the airline passengers, airline employees, airline sympathizers and airline haters, oh and former employees too. How long and how many flags would it take to get this post down or censored?

We have removed it. Thank you for reporting it via the "Report Post" feature.

[The_Judge]

Not removed.....I still see it and it is 3 hours after the above post which says it's removed.

Link added to show where it's at......

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...3&postcount=17

[AirlineComplaints.org]

Originally Posted by The_Judge

Not removed.....I still see it and it is 3 hours after the above post which says it's removed.

Link added to show where it's at......

http://www.airlinecomplaints.org/sho...3&postcount=17

We removed that post that was reported, that is a different post.

We have gone ahead and deleted all his posts and banned him.